Chihayafuru
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TsukuyomiREKT said: Mayuka said: I know it's not about Shogi but the setting is there. The setting is people competing in shogi games. I literally don't understand the rules and it makes it less enjoyable. It makes me want to skip the scenes where they talk about the strategies and such. Chihayafuru I watched for the characters and teamwork, not for the sport. Eh, it's your loss. I knew jack shit about Shogi before watching the show and even after completing it twice, I still know very little. And yet it's one of my favorite shows ever. The main heart of the series isn't in the sport, so I really don't understand how not knowing anything makes it unwatchable/unreadable for you. I'm not losing anything. I like 3gatsu and I'm still reading the manga, but I pretty much skim through their games which take up most of the manga. I just read the parts that are relevant to me. It's just sad that I can't understand Shogi even after investing so much time reading the manga. It's a complicated sport. When I read or watch any series with games or sports involved, I'd like to know what is going on when they engage in it. It's really not that complicated to understand. I've learned the basics for many ball sports and even complicated rules for baseball through anime/manga and that makes it more fun to get invested in those series. Honey and Clover was much better for me since I'm an artist too. |
Mayuka said: TsukuyomiREKT said: Eh, it's your loss. I knew jack shit about Shogi before watching the show and even after completing it twice, I still know very little. And yet it's one of my favorite shows ever. The main heart of the series isn't in the sport, so I really don't understand how not knowing anything makes it unwatchable/unreadable for you. I'm not losing anything. I like 3gatsu and I'm still reading the manga, but I pretty much skim through their games which take up most of the manga. I just read the parts that are relevant to me. It's just sad that I can't understand Shogi even after investing so much time reading the manga. It's a complicated sport. When I read or watch any series with games or sports involved, I'd like to know what is going on when they engage in it. It's really not that complicated to understand. I've learned the basics for many ball sports and even complicated rules for baseball through anime/manga and that makes it more fun to get invested in those series. Honey and Clover was much better for me since I'm an artist too. Not understanding the sport didn't bother me or hinder my enjoyment of the series whatsoever, and I don't think it's necessary to understand it in the first place, but I guess I get where you're coming from. |
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TsukuyomiREKT said: Yep. Just different strokes for different folks. I'm the type that wants to know 100% of what I'm watching. Which is why I would be the type to research baseball rules in my free time if the anime won't explain it well enough, for instance.Mayuka said: I'm not losing anything. I like 3gatsu and I'm still reading the manga, but I pretty much skim through their games which take up most of the manga. I just read the parts that are relevant to me. It's just sad that I can't understand Shogi even after investing so much time reading the manga. It's a complicated sport. When I read or watch any series with games or sports involved, I'd like to know what is going on when they engage in it. It's really not that complicated to understand. I've learned the basics for many ball sports and even complicated rules for baseball through anime/manga and that makes it more fun to get invested in those series. Honey and Clover was much better for me since I'm an artist too. Not understanding the sport didn't bother me or hinder my enjoyment of the series whatsoever, and I don't think it's necessary to understand it in the first place, but I guess I get where you're coming from. |
| Sangatsu boring chihayafuru not. |
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| I enjoy Chihayafuru way more than Sangatsu. The first season of Sangatsu drags the show down as a whole with its poor pacing and mediocre comedy. The second season is a vast improvement but overall I think Chihayafuru has been way more solid from beginning to end. I’d give Chihayafuru a 9.5 and Sangatsu an 8.5 overall. |
| First off let me say I love them both. But 3 gatsu no lion hit me in the feels like nobody's business. Chihayafuru has it's emotional moments too and I love it very much but I really don't think there's much off a comparison other than they are both labeled sports anime since they are so different in their approach. |
| Agree with everyone saying both series are not comparable. Chihayafuru is more sports focused than Sangatsu. Sangatsu was pretty drama heavy and personally I prefer Chihayafuru's laid back atmosphere a lot more, not to say Sangatsu was any short of being fantastic. I'd love to have a series purely dedicated to shogi though, not the drama but the sports. I love how Hikaru no Go got me obsessed with Go for a bit back when I first finished the series, I'd like a series do the same for me with shogi. |
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| I can see why the two are being compared if we just looked at subject matter, but thematically they really aren't the same. Sangatsu no Lion is much more introspective and intrapersonal. While Kiriyama meets a number of people and there's drama involved, the focus has always been his internal turmoils, and his progress towards more psychological stability. It seems weird to say that those other characters don't matter, but they don't really matter. They're foils to push Kiriyama forward. Chihayafuru, on the other hand, has a much more external, and interpersonal archplot, where, again, the particular events are the foils to push the relationship between the characters toward their eventual conclusion. Karuta is just the plot device that allows this to happen (as Chihaya and Arata stated early in season 1, it could have been anything that gave Chihaya a clear path to become number 1 at). And while we see the inner turmoils of several characters here, they are not the whole story, but part of the story. If you want to see a show where the sport is the actual focus, then Hikaru no Go is an example. That show did not spend a lot of time focusing on Hikaru's inner thoughts, but instead focused more on external drama of Hikaru developing his love for Go. And while the interactions with Sai was developed a bit, it was ultimately still a foil to push forward Hikaru's God Hand. So to recap, the respective focuses are on:
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katsucats said: I can see why the two are being compared if we just looked at subject matter, but thematically they really aren't the same. Sangatsu no Lion is much more introspective and intrapersonal. While Kiriyama meets a number of people and there's drama involved, the focus has always been his internal turmoils, and his progress towards more psychological stability. It seems weird to say that those other characters don't matter, but they don't really matter. They're foils to push Kiriyama forward. Chihayafuru, on the other hand, has a much more external, and interpersonal archplot, where, again, the particular events are the foils to push the relationship between the characters toward their eventual conclusion. Karuta is just the plot device that allows this to happen (as Chihaya and Arata stated early in season 1, it could have been anything that gave Chihaya a clear path to become number 1 at). And while we see the inner turmoils of several characters here, they are not the whole story, but part of the story. If you want to see a show where the sport is the actual focus, then Hikaru no Go is an example. That show did not spend a lot of time focusing on Hikaru's inner thoughts, but instead focused more on external drama of Hikaru developing his love for Go. And while the interactions with Sai was developed a bit, it was ultimately still a foil to push forward Hikaru's God Hand. So to recap, the respective focuses are on:
I mean the second season of Sangatsu no Lion is anything but. I am pretty sure that Sangatsu no Lion is not at all exclusively about Kiriyama Rei. I mean otherwise, there would be no point in showing stuff like Yanagaihara's struggle with aging and the loneliness that comes with it. And this is only a particular example. Now compare it with Chihayafuru, the fucking author uses cheap drama ploy to punch Mashima Taichi to make you emotional, many a time. Plus not to mention, the main character Chihaya hasn't had any decent real character development till now. Sorry, I got off track but the point I want to make is that Sangatsu is not at all about Kiriyama's struggles but is more about your, the watcher's/reader's, struggles. Last time I watched such a relatable show was when I was not even born yet. Kudos to Umino sensei for making the most relatable drama in the medium. |
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cchigu said: I disagree. Yanagihara's arc was meant to provide an analogy to Kiriyama to give him perspective and camaraderie. Correct me if I'm wrong, since I never read the manga, but I'm positing that after his arc, while Yanagihara might still be an important character, he would not be a protagonist again, in the way that Taichi, Chihaya, and their team, and Arata remain protagonists from start to finish.katsucats said: I can see why the two are being compared if we just looked at subject matter, but thematically they really aren't the same. Sangatsu no Lion is much more introspective and intrapersonal. While Kiriyama meets a number of people and there's drama involved, the focus has always been his internal turmoils, and his progress towards more psychological stability. It seems weird to say that those other characters don't matter, but they don't really matter. They're foils to push Kiriyama forward. Chihayafuru, on the other hand, has a much more external, and interpersonal archplot, where, again, the particular events are the foils to push the relationship between the characters toward their eventual conclusion. Karuta is just the plot device that allows this to happen (as Chihaya and Arata stated early in season 1, it could have been anything that gave Chihaya a clear path to become number 1 at). And while we see the inner turmoils of several characters here, they are not the whole story, but part of the story. If you want to see a show where the sport is the actual focus, then Hikaru no Go is an example. That show did not spend a lot of time focusing on Hikaru's inner thoughts, but instead focused more on external drama of Hikaru developing his love for Go. And while the interactions with Sai was developed a bit, it was ultimately still a foil to push forward Hikaru's God Hand. So to recap, the respective focuses are on:
I mean the second season of Sangatsu no Lion is anything but. I am pretty sure that Sangatsu no Lion is not at all exclusively about Kiriyama Rei. I mean otherwise, there would be no point in showing stuff like Yanagaihara's struggle with aging and the loneliness that comes with it. And this is only a particular example. Now compare it with Chihayafuru, the fucking author uses cheap drama ploy to punch Mashima Taichi to make you emotional, many a time. Plus not to mention, the main character Chihaya hasn't had any decent real character development till now. Sorry, I got off track but the point I want to make is that Sangatsu is not at all about Kiriyama's struggles but is more about your, the watcher's/reader's, struggles. Last time I watched such a relatable show was when I was not even born yet. Kudos to Umino sensei for making the most relatable drama in the medium. As for Sangatsu being about the audience's struggles, I agree. It relates those struggles through Kiriyama. And while people may like or dislike various characters in Chihayafuru, the narrative is not through any single character, but through how each character affects the other characters in the story. I suppose you could say Sangatsu is about how every other character affects Kiriyama in the story. And in my view, Hikaru no Go is about how Go affects Hikaru in the story. Hikaru experiences angst through an arc, if I recall, but the effect of that was to relate to the audience how it changes Hikaru's perspective toward Go, whereas I see Shogi's role in Sangatsu is to relate to the audience how Shogi changes Kiriyama's perspective toward himself. In that sense, I would call Hikaru no Go a sports drama, Chihayafuru an interpersonal/romance drama, and Sangatsu no Lion an introspective drama. Neither Chihayafuru nor Sangatsu are primarily sports anime in that the end goal is to become the best, even though they repurpose that structure for other means. I'm not going to get baited into which has more effective drama because that is not my point at all. If you want to have that discussion, make another thread and I might post in it. |
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